Low-code software development has been around for several years. So has the idea of the 'citizen developer,' a term which the business technology consultancy Gartner is said to have coined. After the Covid-19 pandemic, however, they have become truly relevant. In this conversation, from earlier in December 2021, Leonard Langsdorf, CTO of Digital Innovation Labs at Wipro's Capco, talks about why the time has come for both low-code and no-code, and the rise of the citizen developer